Feb 092014
 

There is a recently posted article on BroadStreetHockey.com discussing overused and overrated statistics. The first statistic on that list is Plus/Minus. Plus/minus has its flaws and gets wildly misused at times but it doesn’t mean it is a useless statistics if used correctly so I want to defend it a little but also put it in the same context as corsi.

The rational given in the BroadStreetHockey.com article for plus/minus being a bad statisitcs is that the top of the plus/minus listing is dominated by a few teams. They list the top 10 players in +/- this season and conclude:

Now there are some good players on the list for sure, but look a little bit closer at the names on the list. The top-ten players come from a total of five teams. The top eight all come from three teams. Could it perhaps be more likely that plus/minus is more of a reflection of a team’s success than specific individuals?

Now that is a fair comment but let me present you the following table of CF% leaders as of a few days ago.

Player Name Team CF%
MUZZIN, JAKE Los_Angeles 0.614
WILLIAMS, JUSTIN Los_Angeles 0.611
KOPITAR, ANZE Los_Angeles 0.611
ERIKSSON, LOUI Boston 0.606
BERGERON, PATRICE Boston 0.605
TOFFOLI, TYLER Los_Angeles 0.595
TOEWS, JONATHAN Chicago 0.592
THORNTON, JOE San_Jose 0.591
MARCHAND, BRAD Boston 0.591
ROZSIVAL, MICHAL Chicago 0.590
TARASENKO, VLADIMIR St.Louis 0.589
KING, DWIGHT Los_Angeles 0.589
BROWN, DUSTIN Los_Angeles 0.586
DOUGHTY, DREW Los_Angeles 0.584
BURNS, BRENT San_Jose 0.583
BICKELL, BRYAN Chicago 0.582
HOSSA, MARIAN Chicago 0.581
KOIVU, MIKKO Minnesota 0.580
SAAD, BRANDON Chicago 0.579
SHARP, PATRICK Chicago 0.578
SHAW, ANDREW Chicago 0.578
SEABROOK, BRENT Chicago 0.576

Of the top 22 players, 8 are from Chicago and 7 are from Los Angeles. Do the Blackhawks and Kings have 68% of the top 22 players in the NHL? If we are tossing +/- aside because it is “more of a reflection of a team’s success than specific individuals” then we should be tossing aside Corsi as well, shouldn’t we?

The problem is not that the top of the +/- list is dominated by a few teams it is that people misinterpret what it means and don’t consider the context surrounding a players +/-. No matter what statistic we use we must consider context such as quality of team, ice time, etc. Plus/minus is  no different in that regard.

There are legitimate criticisms of +/- that are unique to +/- but in general I think a lot of the criticisms and subsequent dismissals of +/- having any value whatsoever are largely unfounded. It isn’t that plus/minus is over rated or over used it is that it is often misued and misinterpreted and to be honest I see this happen just as much with Corsi and the majority of other “advanced” statistics as well. It isn’t the statistic that is the problem, it is the user of the statistic. That, unfortunately, will never change but that shouldn’t stop us who know how to use these statistics properly from using them to advance our knowledge of hockey. So please, can we stop dismissing plus/minus (and other stats) as a valueless statistics just because a bunch of people frequently misuse it.

The truth is there are zero (yes, zero) statistics in hockey that can’t and aren’t regularly misused and used without contextualizing. That goes from everything from goals and point totals to corsi to whatever zone start or quality of competition metric you like. They are all prone to be misused and misinterpreted and more often than not are. It is not because the statistics themselves are inherently flawed or useless its because hockey analytics is hard and we are a long long way from fully understanding all the dynamics at play. Some people are just more willing to dig deeper than others. That will never change.

 

(Note: This isn’t intended to be a critique of the Broad Street Hockey article because the gist of the article is true. The premise of the article is really about statistics needing context and I agree with this 100%. I just wish it wasn’t limited to stats like plus/minus, turnovers, blocked shots, etc. because advanced statistics are just as likely to be misused.)

 

  4 Responses to “Critiquing plus/minus and corsi fairly”

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    David, there weren’t a thousand and one think pieces about how Alexander Ovechkin really isn’t that good because of his pedestrian CF%. There were, however, a thousand and one think pieces about how Alexander Ovechkin really isn’t that good because of his pedestrian +/-.

    I’m not sure if you actually don’t understand the difference or if you’re being willfully obstinate.

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      1. I never brought up Ovechkin so I don’t know why you are attacking me over those articles.
      2. I did see ten thousand and one articles/comments using corsi to defend Ovechkin from said plus/minus pieces about Ovechkin and I don’t recall one of them actually trying to fully contextualize his corsi.
      3. He is last on his team in GA20 this year, was 11th last year, 10th the year before. There is plenty of evidence that Ovechkin’s defense is an issue (which I am sure was the crux of the majority of those Ovechkin articles you cite).

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    One of the things I dislike about +/- is that it is a stat that “bleeds” between lines since it includes empty net goals. I’m not aware of another statistic that does this. Because of this, a player’s +/- can increase because a teammate on another lines scores a goal or prevents a goal.

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    Author of the BSH piece you linked to here…

    Great article! I’m glad to see you got my overarching premise about context :-). I agree with your statement “The truth is there are zero (yes, zero) statistics in hockey that can’t and aren’t regularly misused and used without contextualizing.”

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