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	<title>Comments on: Jumping on the Bad Goaltending Bandwagon</title>
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		<title>By: The Meatriarchy</title>
		<link>http://hockeyanalysis.com/2008/11/26/jumping-on-the-bad-goaltending-bandwagon/comment-page-1/#comment-3997</link>
		<dc:creator>The Meatriarchy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that Burke doesn&#039;t go out for a prime time front line goalie.

I hope he goes out an gets one or two top flight goaltending PROSPECTS.

There are some decent ones in the AHL right now and if he can pry one or two away from teams that perhaps are looking to shed salary (ie we&#039;ll take this big contract of your hands but you have to throw in a goalie prospect) it would be a great start.

I would love to see Toskala traded. Joseph told he has to retire or be waived and then Pogge plus another decent prospect to push him up with the Leafs with two more younger guys playing for the Marlies.

If we are planning for 5 years out this would be a great move in my opinion.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that Burke doesn&#8217;t go out for a prime time front line goalie.</p>
<p>I hope he goes out an gets one or two top flight goaltending PROSPECTS.</p>
<p>There are some decent ones in the AHL right now and if he can pry one or two away from teams that perhaps are looking to shed salary (ie we&#8217;ll take this big contract of your hands but you have to throw in a goalie prospect) it would be a great start.</p>
<p>I would love to see Toskala traded. Joseph told he has to retire or be waived and then Pogge plus another decent prospect to push him up with the Leafs with two more younger guys playing for the Marlies.</p>
<p>If we are planning for 5 years out this would be a great move in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, we know he is struggling. On to soemthing else. This horse has been beaten.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, we know he is struggling. On to soemthing else. This horse has been beaten.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll grant you that 0.002 is a tiny difference and really not that meaningful, but

a)  I am not sure if the stats include empty net shots and goals (they probably do).  If they do then the difference will be greater as they will drag down average save percentage.

b)  The .906 league average save percentage included all the sub-par backups that are out there.  If I just looked at starters (say goalies with &gt; 50 starts) I am sure Toskala falls well below average.  If I look at &#039;qualified&#039; goalies then Toskala&#039;s save percentage ranks 31st of 44 goalies.  To me that puts him &#039;below average.&#039;

Even if we gave Toskala a lot of benefit of doubt (i.e. he faced tougher shots, had bad luck, etc.) it is a challenge to say that he was an average or better than average starter in the NHL.

And this year, if it weren&#039;t for Turco, you could argue is the worst starter in the NHL.

As for the Leafs PK, well don&#039;t they say that the most important penalty killer is the goalie?  I suspect he is a big reason (though I&#039;ll accept probably not the only reason) for the weak penalty kill.  He did have a .867 save % on the PK which is well down the list of goalies as well.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll grant you that 0.002 is a tiny difference and really not that meaningful, but</p>
<p>a)  I am not sure if the stats include empty net shots and goals (they probably do).  If they do then the difference will be greater as they will drag down average save percentage.</p>
<p>b)  The .906 league average save percentage included all the sub-par backups that are out there.  If I just looked at starters (say goalies with &gt; 50 starts) I am sure Toskala falls well below average.  If I look at &#8216;qualified&#8217; goalies then Toskala&#8217;s save percentage ranks 31st of 44 goalies.  To me that puts him &#8216;below average.&#8217;</p>
<p>Even if we gave Toskala a lot of benefit of doubt (i.e. he faced tougher shots, had bad luck, etc.) it is a challenge to say that he was an average or better than average starter in the NHL.</p>
<p>And this year, if it weren&#8217;t for Turco, you could argue is the worst starter in the NHL.</p>
<p>As for the Leafs PK, well don&#8217;t they say that the most important penalty killer is the goalie?  I suspect he is a big reason (though I&#8217;ll accept probably not the only reason) for the weak penalty kill.  He did have a .867 save % on the PK which is well down the list of goalies as well.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mirtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Mirtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I&#039;d lean entirely on that .002 difference in save percentage to determine he was below average, especially given with how the Leafs killed penalties last season. I&#039;d love to have easy access to a stat measuring the shot quality a goalie faces.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;d lean entirely on that .002 difference in save percentage to determine he was below average, especially given with how the Leafs killed penalties last season. I&#8217;d love to have easy access to a stat measuring the shot quality a goalie faces.</p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion Toskala was barely average last year.  He had a few good stretches but overall he was weak.

There were 71,503 shots last year and 6,691 goals were scored.  That equates to a 90.64% save percentage.  That would put Toskala&#039;s save percentage of 90.41% slightly below average.  He had a really good December and a pretty good February but was mediocre or worse the rest of the time.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion Toskala was barely average last year.  He had a few good stretches but overall he was weak.</p>
<p>There were 71,503 shots last year and 6,691 goals were scored.  That equates to a 90.64% save percentage.  That would put Toskala&#8217;s save percentage of 90.41% slightly below average.  He had a really good December and a pretty good February but was mediocre or worse the rest of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: James Mirtle</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Mirtle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 19:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After last season, I think it was fair to expect Toskala to be average again, but he&#039;s been horrible. There&#039;s no way to sugarcoat those numbers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After last season, I think it was fair to expect Toskala to be average again, but he&#8217;s been horrible. There&#8217;s no way to sugarcoat those numbers.</p>
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